In the episode you’ll hear Julie’s simple process for surfacing fear and dispelling it in a peaceful, pain-free way.

About Julie Ann Cairns

Julie Ann Cairns is the author of the top selling Hay House book The Abundance Code: How to Bust the 7 Money Myths for a Rich Life Now (available on Amazon) and the Director of the documentary of the same name — The Abundance Code — which hundreds of thousands of people have watched since its release, now available as a 3 Part series on Gaia.com.

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LINKS:

The blog post Julie mentions: https://theabundancecode.com/blog/the-subtle-art-of-surfacing/

Julie’s book, The Abundance Code: How to Bust the 7 Money Myths for a Rich Life Now: http://theabundancecodebook.com/ 

Julie’s Documentary, The Abundance Code: https://www.gaia.com/series/abundance-code

Julie’s Website, Instagram, Facebook & Twitter

Christie’s “Rule of 8” for productivity, creativity and intuition: https://take8love.com/pages/take8

Transcript:

Christie:
So this episode is a little It’s different than the other episodes that we’ve been doing. I’m in fact, it came out out of nowhere, just totally spontaneously. I was talking to my good friend Julie Ann Cairns and she and I were discussing this current global crisis, this pandemic and how people are afraid yet. We’re told by many people on social media that it’s not okay to be afraid. And she was telling me about this really simple process to dispel fear, and don’t worry, it’s not painful or anything. And how, when we do this, that it helps to release a ton of anxiety.

Christie:
And when we don’t do this, when we don’t examine our fears and we’re afraid to look at it, how it can actually cause more anxiety, then the Fear itself. And so she actually learn this process from a Yogi master about 20 years ago. And so we’ll take you through it. She takes me through it. Now, keep in mind if your driving you’ll want to wait to do this. Process when you’re somewhere where you’re safe and if you fall asleep, he won’t fall over ’cause we are going to be closing our eyes. It’s a very nice Peaceful practice.

Christie:
And I hope, I really hope you enjoy this, I think is going to help a lot of people through this really tough time. So here we go. Oh, and one more thing just to remind you about Julie’s wonderful background. She’s the author of the top selling hay House book. The Abundance Code How to Bust the seven Money Myths for a Rich Life Now, which is on available on Amazon. And I’ll put links on the show notes. She is also the director of the documentary of the same name The Abundance Code and it has hundreds of thousands of people who have watched it since its release. And it’s now available as a three part series on gaia.com. So welcome to Julie.

Christie:
All right, welcome back. Julie

Julie:
nice. Nice to be here again. Yeah, it was. So I love coming on your show banks. I love to have you, we have such conversations.

Christie:
So, you know, we were just actually on the phone earlier and we started talking about this, this system that you have, or this method, I’m not sure what you would call it, but it seemed to be so relevant right now because we’re going through this global pandemic and there is a lot of different emotions that we’re all feeling. Absolutely. The wide range of them. Right. And so Fear is definitely one of those. And let’s talk about that. Let’s talk about the Fear and How how to work through it.

Julie:
Yeah. Well, I mean, we were chatting about, I’m a piece that I wrote a while back that was called the subtle art of Surfacing that I had put it on my blog. And it’s really a process that you can use when you have fears that are kind of circling underneath the surface. And I kind of liken it to, you know, remember that scene in the movie, jaws, gosh, that’s going back. That’s like 1975. So I’m going to be like my age there, but you know, there’s this scene where this, the shark is circling are in those that music and its, its gotta be one of the scariest scenes from a movie ever.

Julie:
And one of the reasons that I think it’s so scary is because it’s underneath the surface, you know, you can’t see it really. You can’t see what it’s doing, you know, you know, it’s probably gonna to do something that when is it gonna do it? And the, what you don’t know in that scene is actually the scariest part of it. And that kind of got me thinking about how that’s so true in our emotional landscape, in our emotional lives, what is sitting underneath the surface that is kind of vague and not the, you know, we don’t want to look at it, right? Because we think that seeing it in the, looking at it in the eyes is just going to be so terrifying.

Julie:
So we avoid looking at it. But yet, because we don’t look at it retains this sort of power of just circling, circling, circling underneath the surface and where I feel like this comes into play in people is the fear or fears that you can’t actually resolve. Right? So like one example is, you know, a fear that I experienced when I had a child that I didn’t even know existed before I had, which was the fear that she would die or I would die, you know?

Julie:
And I mean, we’re all gonna die, right. But the fear that I might die too soon for her or that she might die too soon in your child dying before you is too soon. Right? So this is a fear that I can never resolve it. Just sort of circles around below the surface and because I can’t resolve it, there’s nothing I can do on the conscious level. That’s going to remove that fear. It’s just a, could happen one day sort of a thing I needed to find a way to surface it so that it didn’t keep draining my energy away.

Julie:
And I think that that’s something a lot about being very exhausted in this current time. And I think a lot of that exhaustion is from this draining of energy that occurs draining into fears and that are sitting underneath the surface. So yeah, I developed a process to help people with that. So before we get into that, you said something also very interesting in our previous conversation about fear and how there is some shaming going on and I’ve seen this a lot on LinkedIn and especially in the business world, it’s like, no, you can’t, you shouldn’t feel fear because it’s going to get in the way of you attracting your ideal clients.

Julie:
Even in uncertain times, you know, you got to learn how to not do that. And so what’s the myth behind that. What’s there might be a whole, I sorry, go ahead. I feel like, yeah, that’s very helpful because it is the kind of shame that you would apply to a machine. You know, like you, you know, you’ve got a machine with some sand and a skier is in your life. You know, you gotta clean up that sand so you can continue to be a machine and it’s like, we’re not machines, we’re human beings.

Julie:
And I think its really important at this time to, for us to acknowledge that and give ourselves some compassion and go, no, I’m, I’m a human being and I have some Fear program and debated, these are, these are not programs that I can eliminate. And this is an interesting thing that I think is coming up right now because I do a lot of work on helping people release their subconscious blocks. And a lot of subconscious conditioning that we picked up in childhood can be altered, but there’s deeper conditioning than that. That is actually very difficult to change it, change it.

Julie:
You can just work with it and that’s the programming. So we have a couple of evolutionary programs that we run. One of which is the safety and survival evolutionary programming. Another one is around belonging. ’cause we survived better while we belong and a tribe. There’s a few evolutionary programs that you shouldn’t expect to be able to change, but what you can do is acknowledge them and work with them. So I think for a lot of us, our survival instinct has been activated and our Fear programs, the fight fight flight or freeze programs have been activated.

Julie:
So, you know, some of us may be having different reactions, whether we’ve gotten into fight or we have gotten into flight or we’ve gotten into Fear, it may mean that we have different reactions, but underneath all of those reactions is the fear of survival. And that’s the human fear that we would actually expect to be acting like a global pandemic, helpful for us to be shaming ourselves or other people about being kind of in a, in a fear of making some forward motion, denying the fear isn’t going to help us get to the forward motion.

Julie:
So I guess that’s my main point is let’s look at the Fear let’s acknowledge the Fear. I’m just like, you know, Surfacing that shark I remember in jaws’, you know, when the shark came up and it was like, so obviously I had a Metronic fake right now. It wasn’t for me in the end. So you know, that film was a lot scarier when they kept that shark under the water. Yeah. And so there is a process for us to be able to surface our fears when we do that, they end up being a lot less scary. It’s kind of like when you think there’s, there’s something in your closet at night when you were a kid. So you know, when to turn on the Led exactly.

Julie:
You turn on the light and you look and its like, its just a Teddy bear or you know, a shirt hanging on a, on a hanger, not a man or whatever, you know? So we just want to bring the light to these fears and they end up being a lot less scary when we do that. I love that

Christie:
Shine a light on them. That’s I mean that says it all right there. Cause when it, when it’s dark, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s tough to see what’s really there, which is tough to discern from truth in illusion. So yeah. Very, very cool. Okay. So let’s, let’s talk about how do we surface this Fear are we going to start feeling really fearful when we do this or well, we’re going to, we’re going to feel

Julie:
What we feel. So let me take you through process because it ends up, like I said, once you service things, there are a lot less scary. So let me take you through the process and then we can kind of do a little debrief on your experience of that and your listeners should be able to go through the same process while we do this. Okay, great. So to start with, to start with just close your eyes and take a couple of deep breaths and what I want you to do to ask your body, what is the most intense feeling that I have right now?

Julie:
That’s sort of sitting below the surface, where is my fear and my anxiety residing in my body. Where is it locationally? Most intense in my body. So maybe you Christie, you can answer that question for me. Yeah. So it’s, it’s like between my stomach and my heart, like it’s kind of stuck between yeah. It’s a box. And are they connected? No. Which one is more intense?

Julie:
Well, I, Oh, what I meant is, is not both at the same time. It’s like right between those two spots. Oh it’s between. Okay. So it’s one spot between the stomach in the chest. Okay, great. So focus your attention on that spot. And I’m going to ask you a series of questions. What shape is it? It’s like a square. What color is it? Red? What texture is it smooth or rough kind of spiky. Spike key.

Julie:
A spiky red square. Or what temperature is the hot spiky red hot square or is it a square? A cube or is it totally, is more of a cute, cute. Okay. Is it heavy or light? Heavy. Okay. Any other characteristics you want to share with me about it? It has really weird googly eyes where it googly eyes were the googly eyes on the cube right on the cube. Like yeah. Like somehow it has Life so yeah.

Julie:
Okay. So do you feel like you have a fix on How? What shape it is? What color it is? What texture it is? What you all the aspects of it. I want to have to say kind of hairy to you. I’m just going to throw that out to Harry Harry. Yeah. Okay. That’s great. Every way that you can describe it. That is an adjective. Okay. So this is one of the keys to the process is we’re just describing it. It’s characteristic. What? It looks like, what it feels like. We’re not saying attributing meaning to it. We’re not saying this is my fear about X or this is my guilt about my mother or anything like that. We’re not, we’re just describing it.

Julie:
And once you have a fix on one, it looks like and feels like, and how heavy it is in a temperature. Now I want you to say to it. I see you. I see you. I acknowledge you. I see it. And I’m not, I’m not asking you cut out just a bit. Can you repeat? And I’m not asking you to leave. It’s okay for you to be here. And then I want you to say to this shape, the red spiky cube that’s hairy with I is what’s hot.

Julie:
Show me what you want to show me. And we’re going to keep watching it and describing it in adjectives and see if it changes in any way. So say it will show up. Yeah. You cut out again. Can you repeat, say, show me, do what you want to show me, show me what you want to show me and just tell me if it’s changing in any way.

Julie:
Is it moving? Is it changing color, change in shape, changing heaviness, lightness, temperature, anything is, this is really interesting. So when I said I see you and show me what you want to show me. It’s almost like a lid on the cube, like opened up and then light shone through it, like ups through my head. Like Life yeah, it was like a flashlight. And then it started to like rearrange itself and turn it inside out. And then it turned into like a blue, a sphere. That’s like a furry and soft and like not scary.

Julie:
So that’s a great, yeah. Yeah. And so I just encourage you to say thank you for showing me that. Yeah. Thank you for showing me that. That’s interesting. It’s totally my subconscious talking. Right. I don’t even know what this means. Yeah. And is there anything else you’d like to show me now? It’s like spinning around like a vortex, like Hmm. Like, Oh, like fairy godmother, turning Cinderella around in a vortex.

Julie:
Like this is kind of weird. I don’t know. What’s it going to show me again? It should show me something else. It’s OK. Just stay with it and then describe it. What color is the vortex? Yellow in? What temperature is the board? Oh, it it’s nice. It’s like a spring day. And anything else to continue describing? Yeah. It just seems like it’s still spinning. Like it’s transforming into something.

Julie:
Stay with it. Yeah. It’s not really stopping it’s okay. It gets to do whatever it wants to do. Okay. We were just describing and observing to stay with it and keep describing what’s happening. Sometimes this is a tough on me because I know about dream symbolism and I’m, I’m like trying to analyze it. Like what is this? Just like all the interpretation. In meaning, let it go this stick with it. The adjectives.

Julie:
Okay. What color is it? Yeah. Shape. Is it so it stopped. It’s yellow. It’s a star, which is why we try not to judge again. Yeah. It just reminds me of that EMF invincibility star from super Mario, like, you know, the game, like where you have this invincibility and you can go through all the obstacles and kill them along the way. And that’s awesome. It doesn’t, it doesn’t take one of your lives. Yeah. So that’s interesting little smiley face.

Julie:
I hear the music from super Mario. Okay, cool. Yeah. So that’s some pretty powerful symbolism for you. Yeah. Yeah. So ask it. Is there anything else you would like to show me? I just got the number eight. It’s kind of like an infinity symbol. Great. And what’s the feeling that you get from this transformed? Oh, like objects, total peace and calm.

Julie:
Yeah. I mean the instability, what could it be better than invincibility right. And infinity, right? Yeah. Okay. So the spread now from the area of your chest were the original cube. What if this is a beautiful feeling that you want to embody fully, then let it spread into every cell of your body and now into your ORIC field and radiating out from you without leaving you attracting into your manifest reality.

Julie:
That which matches the energy of this kid, turning you into a magnate, the beacon attract thing like for like I’m in this moment forward. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. How does that feel? Yeah, it was pretty cool. Wasn’t it? Yeah. No, Nope. Didn’t hurt. No, it wasn’t embarrassing hurt had something to teach you. Right. Like it.

Julie:
So just come back to your body first. Let’s ground out. Yeah. So, and just feel your body connecting to a, the ground, feeling your connection to earth as if there’s a golden chain extending around the base of your spine, grounding into the center of the earth and then follow your chakras from the base chakra all the way up to the top of your head and becoming aware that there is a beautiful film in a white light extending from the top of your head, connecting you up to divine source so that you’re always connected to divine source.

Julie:
You’re always grounded into other earth aligned intuitively guided perfect for you. Action, moving forward. And just thinking like that wonderful. The lesson and display let’s call it a display because we were, we aren’t trying to interpret so much as just observe. So the thing that Fear for the wonderful display that it gave you of its true nature.

Julie:
That was a really cool. Yeah, it is cool. Now what do we do it? I love it. It deliberate. Like do we analyze or do we just like, well, I think that the key points, the experience is that when you look at it, when you’re willing to go there and look at it without judging it, and this is the wonderful part of just using adjectives and not creating meaning is that we take out our judgment. So we’re not judging the feeling. We’re just being with the feeling and asking the feeling, what is it, what it would like to show us.

Julie:
And when we do that, I have never experienced it to be anything other than illuminating. And certainly not a process that makes, that leaves me fearful in the end to shining the light on that. Fear it turns out to not be a fear it’s it’s on our side. It’s like, it’s not an enemy, its on our side, right? The fear is there to show us something. And when we’re willing to just look and experience and describe it to ourselves, what it showing us, I don’t want to say the fear dissolves, right?

Julie:
Because that’s actually not the purpose of the exercise. The purpose of the exercise is to go into the fear and say it is okay that you’re here. I am not asking you to leave. And that’s very counter to what we’re taught in our society. You know, we’re meant to suppress our fears are meant to conquer them, you know, and soldier on, in the face of our fears, like feel a little fear and do it anyway. And it’s like, yes, I feel the fear really feel the fear, be with the fear, you know, that’s that’s I think the message and feel the fear do it anyway.

Julie:
Whereas often we just jumped to do in any way without feeling the fear. Right? So this process is about, yes, I’m going to acknowledge and really feel into what the sphere is, is going to show me and let it, it showed me what I’m not going to force. You know that my, my red cube transform into a golden star. Right. If it does, then I’m just going to watch that. But I’m not going to force this process in any way or impose upon it. Any ideas that I might have for my conscious mind about what it should look like, what it should transform into and whether it should stay or go away.

Julie:
Yeah. Yeah. I used to have a real problem with stuff like this, just because just what you said, it’s like you’re trained to make it mean something or you’re you you’re like, is this the right answer? And yeah, like the process is just like, what was the first thing that came to my mind? What was the first color that came to my mind and what was the first shape, et cetera, you know? And its, its almost like your watching a movie or your yeah, yeah. Like your daydreaming is just what comes up first for you and not, not judging it or trying to make it, not trying to control the, the vision or the, the dream so to speak. Yeah, exactly. And even, you know, some people have difficult as well to with right.

Julie:
And, and seeing things. But if you just do that, do the actual, you know, questions and, and go with the first answer that comes to mind. Even if you are not visually seeing anything, it still works. So just asking, what color are you, what shape are you a, what temperature are you going with? The very first answer that comes to mind, even if it’s not a visual experience. Yeah. So, great. Well good. Well, is there anything else you want to mention before we wrap up any, any, how can people get ahold of you or learn more about what you do? Can you talk a little bit about, about your services and what it is that you do to get an article about this?

Julie:
You can go to my blog The Abundance Code dot com and just click on the menu to go to the blog and then you can type in this search, a bang or a Subtle Art and that’ll take you to the blog that’s called the subtle art of Surfacing that In no has a whole process so that you can refresh your mind about how to do it. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Julie, for, for coming on today and sharing with us this, this process.

Julie:
What do you have a name for the process yet? There’s a little delay. Oh yeah. You just cut out. It’s got some internet things going on to the desk. Thanks for bearing with us, everyone. So everybody is on the internet. Everybody is on the, in the right way and I know everyone’s hollering around the world. Yeah. So yeah, no, I’m really happy to share this process because it has been so helpful to me over the years. Yeah. Yeah. That’s great. And does it have a name or a origination or do you remember where you learned it?

Julie:
Yeah, I learned it a from a Yogi about 20 odd years ago. So it’s so it’s, you know, it’s kind of a meditation process that I’ve just found incredibly useful prior to that, you know, I had a lot of emotional stuff that I was dealing with from my childhood abuse issues and I had actual terror about facing some of my feelings, you know, like I did. The last thing I wanted to do was faced some of my feelings. And when I learn this process, it was so helpful to me because the very first time I experienced it, I realize that it wasn’t scary.

Julie:
And that a lot of the feelings that I had buried when I brought them to light, they just weren’t, they weren’t as terrifying as I thought they were going to be. You know? And yeah, it really allowed me to process a lot of stuff that I had been too afraid to go to before that. Awesome. Thank you so much again. Julie yeah. All right. Love you. Oh yeah, you too. So yeah, definitely check out. Julie’s brought blog at The Abundance Code dot com and do a search for that blog and the subtle art of Surfacing. And thanks again.

Julie:
We’ll hopefully have you on again, and you’re a very popular guests. Thanks to Bob.